Those suing Ige are foolish
Those suing Ige are foolish
Here is a good one. TGI 6/14/20 “IGE NAMED IN COVID SUIT.” What? It stated that 12 of the 13 people filing the suit are from Kaua‘i. The suit stated, and I’ll quote, “The 170-page complaint alleges the emergency order, including the self-quarantine and social-distancing requirements, violate citizens’ fundamental right to movement and fundamental right to liberty, and fundamental right to due process” under state and federal laws.
Why? Don’t you all want to be saved? The whole world is doing it and, really, do you all feel you are all exceptional and are entitled to different priorities and laws? Really, who the hell are you people? Why didn’t you guys just forget what the governor said and did what you felt you needed to do, not stick to the rules, and see what happened and then become statistics?
You folks are no better than me, and if I and others like me did what the governor said for the safety and protections for all of us, don’t you think and believe it was a good thing? Or would you have rather disregarded what the governor said and increased the number of coronavirus and deaths on Kaua‘i? Truthfully, again I say, are you guys for real? It’s people like you who could screw up good things. Are you the problems or the solutions?
To sue the governor and those with him because of your selfishnesses (wanted to say something nasty, but really holding back) for all our safety, protection and for the good of the people, is ridiculous and uncalled for. You’re no better than me.
Ray Domingo, Lihu‘e
In total agreement with Ray. The simple solution to these people who have no regard, respect and consideration for others on the island should have just solved their apparent stress levels by taking a flight to the mainland where there were plenty of people complaining, just as they are, about their rights and not following the guidelines. It would be interesting to see just how well they would have faired. I would take a guess in saying, they more than likely would have contacted the virus in one form or another.
Respect comes naturally in people make good decisions. The governor has made bad decisions based on bad data. It is very well-known and widespread knowledge that most people have mild symptoms and no negative effects from the virus but it’s extremely clear that the economic psychological and social impacts of the governor’s decisions have extremely damaged the economic health, the social health, the personal psychological health of every single person in Hawaii.
WARNING…..the following is going to sting:
“The ONLY reason to quarantine an entire population was to decrease the load on hospitals and medical providers. Since the corona-virus entered the US, only 2% of those who actually get infected have required hospitalization. Our fears never came to fruition. The hospitalization load never even reached full capacity in 99% of hospital facilities across the country and many facilities began furloughing employees in April 2020. In fact, this weeks estimate by the CDC is that the fatality ratio for COVID-19 is 0.004. That means if you get the infection, you have a 0.4% chance of dying from coronavirus. Remember, influenza has a fatality ratio that fluctuates between 0.002-0.005 depending on the year (0.2%-0.5% fatality risk). In layman’s terms, your risk of death from a coronavirus infection is no greater than the flu.”
And to quote Alanis Morissette…..Isn’t it ironic, don’t you think, that each year ONLY 33% of the population gets the Flu Shot. A recent survey discovered less than half of the population would take a COVID-19 shot. Stop the madness. This is all a scam.
*show your work
I’m with you, Ray. The lawsuit is frivolous and ought to be thrown out.
Ray,
I am so thankful for your letter. Truely. I have been waiting for an ideal opportunity to comment on this issue of “your selfishnesses”.
If I own, or am the caretaker of, one of only a few farms that grows food, am I being selfish by keeping all the food to myself while others starve? It takes a lot of work, running a farm. Am I not entitled to keep all the food for myself? If other people want food, they should grow their own. Would that be the pinnacle of selfishness?
Likewise, suppose I live on an island, that has a natural and easily defendable barrier against what some say is a deadly disease. This disease isn’t even deadly to everyone, just certain groups of people. In fact, the small number of people that are at risk of dying from this disease could actually all be housed on my island, or chain of islands. It sure seems like it would be selfish of me not to share my protected space with those people. They will surely die “horrific, lonely, and needless deaths” if you refuse to share your protected space with them. Consider that for a moment.
Tell us again, Ray, who is being selfish?
Ray, sometimes you really need to look at the bigger picture!
To restrict only the poorest people and write criminal tickets for traveling over the roads we live on when military personnel and elite “essential” workers or other people who have power and money have total freedom is TYRANNY. Thank GOD we do have HUMAN RIGHTS IN OUR COUNTRY AND CAN SEEK RETRIBUTION WHEN OUR RIGHTS AND PERSONS ARE VIOLATED!!!
There are legitimate statistics of multiple suicides and domestic abuse crimes spiking during the 2-3 month period of curfew, lockdown and demise of normal life….. fear is a powerful force but must be mitigated by our leaders to demonstrate that they have our community safety and security as their top priority.
Please have compassion for all people who are exercising their right to fair and EQUITABLE TREATMENT, YES EVEN THROUGH A PANDEMIC!!!!
We are far from “SAVED”.
Right on Ray!
Stay at home in the beginning was a good desicion because nobody knew at that time what would happen.
The weeks when there were few cases we hadn’t to wear masks. But than when all where healthy again we were mandated to wear masks ! Wake up!
It is a good way to keep the people in fear.
There will not be a second wave of covid 19 because it’s gone like every virus every year. Next winter maybe will come a new flu. But without fear, strenghten our immune system during the summer by breathing enough fresh air without masks we will be prepared. We must get our freedom back to have the oppertunity to decide how we want to live.
And that is not selfish like some people say when there is no virus to spreat!
Wrong! It may be gone from the island for now, but is running wild on the mainland, as soon as we open to the mainland, get ready for it to hit because our government is definitely not ready to control it! What they need to do is what New Zealand is doing, testing and separate quarantine accommodations monitored by New Zealand armed forces.
New case: I guess it’s not gone. Do you want to amend your comment? There will be more cases, especially when tourists return.
Absolutely clueless, Alohilani and Rev Dr. Malama,
We now are seeing a spike of the FIRST wave of this virus. It is not going away. It is here until there is an effective vaccine and people must continue to be cautious, wear masks, and social distance. People should be responsible and care about their fellow citizens. We will see more cases as business open up and visitors return. People need to believe in science now more than ever. This disease is an equal opportunity killer. It spares no one. You are not safe even if you are young and have a good immune system. This is not an issue such as the seat belt issue where only you are at risk if you do not wear one. If you are maskless, you could kill me, my Auntie, my Keiki. Wise up, please!!
that is the world we live in today, you have all these people that have this “entitlement” mentality. All you heard from them is “me, me, me, me and I, I, I, I”. Infringing on MY rights. IT IS MY right to go to the beach, IT IS MY right to not use any face mask. IT IS MY right to drive to where I want to. IT IS MY right to sit and lounge at the beach. All selfish, like the universe revolves around them. That is not how many of the locals feel or think. We were raised to have respect for authority, to have respect for one another and most importantly to care for our Kupuna, because they were the ones that took care of us when we were growing up. This COVID19 is no joke, and no, I am not a sheep, I am informed and I do check facts, but I will continue to do my part to help keep Kauai and her people safe.
Gooding, You have good points, however “That is not how many of the locals feel or think. We were raised to have respect for authority, to have respect for one another “…. tell that to the rampant speeders on Omao Road. NO respect. NO safety. NO courtesy for the people who live here. NADA! Miscreants abound.
selfish people
Ray, you place too much faith in “what the governor said”. And, it seems you think that people preferring work to idleness are “selfish”. Well, Ray what’s left to say to someone like you that prefers the state boot to freedom?
RG DeSoto
The devil is in the details Ray…. Despite what you think you know. The whole world is not doing what we are doing here in Hawaii. One of many examples – Japan never shut down, why are they doing really well? Most unquestioning citizens believe that the ONLY reason we have low cases and deaths is due to the lock-down and other measures taken by Ige and Kawakami. For most this logically makes sense, However given many factors we really have no clue how many lives these anti freedom “rules” not laws (because they legally cannot make these rules into law) have saved. They say “Well we don’t know how many lives we saved but I KNOW we saved thousands! If not millions!” Probably millions given the ridiculous computer models that were first presented. Which by the way were what Ige and Kamakami based the planned response on. Do we not know more now about the severity of this virus? I guess if your still getting your information from “the news” then maybe you are still under the impression that this virus is REALLY BAD. You want some real news on the subject? Go watch the Highwire with Del Bigtree. If anything just watch it in order to try and “debunk” it. Although beware you might find yourself feeling happier.
Selfish? These people want to reverse anti constitutional rules for everybody… They want EVERYBODY to be able to be free to make their own decisions, Like to shut down your own business or not to shut down.. The freedom of choosing to wear a mask or not wear a mask. They are looking into the past and seeing what happens when a society starts going away from freedom and individual liberty to collectivism and socialism. It does not end well. Learn about 1984, and brave new world. Those two books should be read by every American.
Stupid lawyers file stupid lawsuits.
Thank you Ray Domingo. I thought it was pathetic as well. Gov. Ige is in an impossible spot. He is trying to serve the well being of the entire state, not just Kauai. No one wanted to have a lock down, or job losses. But due to the Governor and Mayor Kawakami’s diligence we have had a low COVID count. Part of it was also due to cooperation of the residents. We all know it has been hard on everyone. How about a little less rancor? And a little more cooperation.
If our state had stayed open through this more lives would have been lost.
Agree, too many who think they are better than or more privileged than Z, Omidyer, Ellison and ignorances that surpass reality. The new normal, what is that exactly?
Ray Domingo, “touche’!” I wrote something nasty. It never got printed.
Great letter Ray! You just expressed what I’m sure thousands of us were thinking when we read about this waste of taxpayers money, and the blatant disrespect for Kaua’i residents, our Mayor, and Governor. Do they think the numbers have stayed low on Kaua’i (so far) because we all stayed home and prayed to the COVID gods?
I hope on the 26th this case gets laughed at, thrown out, and that their Attorney charges them a bundle. These people are an embarrassment for Kaua’i.
If your Hair is on Fire, stay at home Locked Up!
Our political leaders remind me of Dumb and Dumber!
Japan Neva shut Down! And they are Packed like Sardines on those Small Islands! Time for New Leadership!
Japan did lock down, just not as hard. Their numbers are extremely low because their testing is extremely low. Also, they invest in social medicine much more than the USA and have a cleaner culture in general (washing, bowing rather than touching hands, etc).
Certainly, in the large cities they are packed like any other large and dense city in the world. But your statements show little knowledge and a lot of stereotype. I sincerely doubt you’ve ever toured Japan.
These comments…clearly a few of you need to go back to basic biology and re-learn how viruses work.
Lisa, “why don’t you save time and tell us how virus works?”
What we have here is what we always have. Aging, cranky, fully entitled codgers who are having it both ways. They know that their opinions will not be followed and they will not be held responsible for the terrible outcomes. What will happen, at a future Bar-B-Q, is other entitled codgers will approach them and say: “You really stuck up for our rights there!” That is all any of this amounts to!
But at least they have friends.
Just like them; oh, the irony!
How many businesses are closing because of a virus that in healthy people according to the CDC has a near 99.8% recovery rate? 22 people out of approximately 70,000 have shut down an island and our livelihood in the visitor industry…was it worth the suicides, increased domestic violence, destruction of the graduating classes year, restructure of our schools, depletion of our resources that will hit us in July and August? The last time a small group of people tried to steal the liberty of a large group of people, we declared independence.
You seem to think it’s over…
rk669: Japan didn’t shut down, because they legally couldn’t!
And I quote:
“Even with the declaration of a national emergency, the government is not able to force people to stay at home or to order businesses to close, a legacy of the (American-drafted) post-World War II constitution that sought to constrain the power of government.”
Speaking of “dumb and dumber”…
They did (in April) declare a State of Emergency and requested residents to work from home, close their businesses unless essential, wear masks, social distance, and only go out when absolutely necessary. They also shut down venues like museums, libraries, etc. Sound familiar? It’s so easy to procure facts via the internet. You should try it sometime.
Good grief Charlie Brown! What a waste of everyone’s time and resources. The Supreme Court has already ruled on this before so this isn’t going anywhere.
A recent April Op-Ed in the LA Times pointed out:
“There have been very few Supreme Court cases involving the government’s power to deal with the spread of communicable diseases. The most relevant decision for today was issued in Jacobson vs. Massachusetts in 1905. In that case, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of a state law requiring compulsory vaccinations against smallpox.
The court declared, “Upon the principle of self-defense, of paramount necessity, a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic of disease which threatens the safety of its members.”
The court explicitly rejected the claim that “liberty” under the Constitution includes the right of individuals to make decisions about their own health in instances where those decisions could endanger others. But the court also made clear that restrictions imposed by the government to control communicable diseases must have a “real or substantial relation” to protecting public health.
Under this standard, there is no doubt that quarantine, “shelter in place,” and closure requirements are constitutional as a way of stopping the spread of COVID-19, even though they restrict freedom.”
Anyone crying out for “freedom” has obviously not done their homework or they would know that the Supreme Court places the needs of a community’s health well above a bunch of Karens crying out for haircuts. Yes, we have freedom but that needs to be balanced out with YOUR community’s well being.
How hard is it to understand that even if you don’t feel sick, that you can still infect others through thoughtlessness or carelessness?
“Under this standard, there is no doubt that quarantine, “shelter in place,” and closure requirements are constitutional as a way of stopping the spread of COVID-19, even though they restrict freedom.”
Agreed.
There is also no doubt that removing everyone from the island would also be a way of stopping the spread of COVID-19 (on the island). It would only involve suspending private property rights and other liberties protected by our constitution in the same way they are being suspended now, in the interest of “public health”.
There is also no doubt that simply providing medical grade PPE to the community would also be a way of stopping the spread of COVID-19. Far less intrusive on the community’s liberties secured by the constitution, other than the government telling you what you ‘must’ wear to go in public.
Would they not both be effective at stopping the spread of COVID-19 in the community? Surely they both would. Why would we consider one reasonable and one not reasonable?
The reason we choose one over the other is because the least burdensome approach (maintains the most liberty) is the one the government (we) is (are) entitled to impose on it’s citizens (each other). Anything more is tyranny and must not be allowed to go unchecked in a free society.
If Kauai waits until there is vaccine for CV-19 many businesses will go bankrupt. Many on the Island will forever be welfare recipients. Guess what happens in a few more years? China or another country will send over another virus and then what? We shut again? The way you control and quarantine any area is to keep the vulnerable quarantined, not the entire population!
We keep hearing people complain that the businesses will die off and that’s worse than the virus. But we never see anyone quantify it, Unless you can show us where you draw the line between deaths and profits, you just spew so much hot air.
Tell us how many people are worth the money and should die. Show your work.
Similar deaths to the flu. The real COVID-19 deaths have been exaggerated by 25-30%. Yet, $5 Trillion lost to quarantine the healthy for 3 months and watch NETFLIX. Tell your children and grandchildren and great grandchildren they will paying for this scam. Stop the madness.