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Letters for Monday, May 25, 2020

Plea for help with unemployment


I’m writing this on behalf of the people of Kaua‘i and all Americans.

We all suffer through this epidemic. Not only can we not bury the ones we have lost, we neither can touch the ones we love. And, unfortunately, our (state) government has failed to provide for us our essential needs to survive. I am one of many who has not received unemployment in a timely matter.

Our savings have been squeezed to no return, and with no response to our worries we see no beginning. There is nowhere to turn. How do we survive? Please help us.

Pamela Andrade, Kapa‘a

Inquires about lack of random testing

Dear editor.

I’m wondering why the (state) health department does not test, say, 1,000 random people here on Kaua‘i for CPVOD-19 antibodies and see if maybe we have herd immunity here on Kaua‘i.

As a tourist destination, it is very possible that Kaua‘i was exposed earlier than thought, like the rest of the West Coast of the U.S. Stanford University did a study on 3,324 random citizens who live in Santa Clara County and found that there were MANY more people who had the antibodies than were originally thought.

The data implied that 54,000 people in Santa Clara County had been infected by COVID-19 instead of the confirmed cases numbering 1,000. This is a quote: “Conclusions: The estimated population prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in Santa Clara County implies that the infection may be much more widespread than indicated by the number of confirmed cases.”

Doesn’t Kaua‘i want to find out if this is true on the island? Wouldn’t it reduce fear in people, and make them feel more comfortable about opening the island, and letting everyone get back to business? This is the data that is needed to get the island back to normal, and begin to remove the fear that is controlling so many lives.

Danise Rapetti, Kekaha

  1. Lorelei Armstrong May 25, 2020 3:29 am Reply

    I see occasional requests that we test for herd immunity, and suggestions that herd immunity may exist already. In truth, herd immunity has never developed in any community to any disease without the presence of an effective vaccine. Ever. Herd immunity needs a high percentage of the population to be effective, and that percentage depends on the virulence of the pathogen. Measles needs over 90% immunity in a population.

    Testing was done in the city of Milan for antibodies against COVID-19. COVID-19 swept northern Italy this year, and their situation is only now improving. Percentage of the Milanese with antibodies against COVID-19? 11%.

  2. Robert Weiner May 25, 2020 5:54 am Reply

    to Pamela,
    Hawaii Pacific Health did antibody testing on over 3000 employees including many associates and employees of Wilcox Hospital on Kauai. This was about 2 weeks ago. Only 1/2 of 1% had antibodies. The Health Department has also done some random testing here with mostly all negatives, so we are nowhere near herd immunity and there’s some doubt that this will ever exist for coronavirus. Bob Weiner

  3. Uncleaina May 25, 2020 5:50 pm Reply

    Danise – they antibody tested all the Wilcox employees as well as 300 people who were already being tested for flu. Less than 1% were positive. You need 70-80% to achieve herd immunity. Facts.

  4. Mark Beeksma May 26, 2020 6:21 am Reply

    Danise, Testing is good, but it is obvious from the few cases we have had on Kauai that we do not have much herd immunity. However, I think some comments here are missing some info. Even a small amount of herd immunity can make a big difference if the people are wearing masks. If everyone wears masks, the Reproductive number may be at worst around 1.2 in the middle of flu season (indicated by Japan). If you add just 10% immunity, that reduces the number to 1.08, which is so low that the geometric growth does not get nearly as far. Clearly there is some herd immunity with Covid-19, because the worst hit areas tend to lose Covid-19 numbers faster than the other areas. This has happened around the world.

  5. Charlie Chimknee May 27, 2020 5:19 am Reply

    Aloha Pamela, WE ARE NOT ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, our government workers seem to ALL BE GETTING THEIR PAY CHECKS, while those in the private sector for the most part are sliding into bankruptcy.

    How long can our lack of tax paying to the government take before it impacts the public government workers’ pay checks.

    Seems most are not getting Unemployment Insurance or even the $1200 Stimulus Check.

    The Governor clearly bungled The Missile Crisis, and he is still in charge….? That’s an oxymoron…!

    When will he be impeached?

    When will lawsuits, preferably Federal, have verdicts to restore the entire economy?

    So much is wrong, and the wrong people are in charge.

    You can’t fix stupid…! And that is why no solutions are being offered.

    This is a nationwide problem, if not world wide.

    For the most part only sick elderly are dying, that is how it has always been, and will continue to be. When you are at the end of life part of your life, due to your lifelong lifestyle and dietary routine, well, you just die.

    Being sick amd elderly, with multiple end of life diseases, accelerated by end of life prescription drugs, I.e., drugs that do not restore Health, but cause numerous bodily malfunctions that accelerate ill side effects causing the use of more drugs, well add a flu and you are dead, end of life.

    Don’t be surprised it’s just how it is. Get over it, it is your turn to move on and make way for youth, who are repeating the same lifestyle and dietary choices that you taught them. You can’t fix stupid…! It repeats itself…especially when you flunk it.

    If you die from the flu, you flunked the LIFE TEST…!

    If you got he flu and had No Symptoms, or mild symptoms, or needed only a few days of Bedrest…then you passed the LIFE TEST. Good, keep it up.

    If you put your BLIND FAITH in the medical disease care system, do you know anyone who has gotten of their heart pills, blood pressure pills, cancer medications, diabetic drugs, Alzheimer’s medication, etc…?

    You get off those drugs when you die. Those are all life short medications.

    The CDC, Center for Disease Control, no diseases are under control, yet we keep paying this famous Dr. Fauci, while there are only worse statistics to the main life killer Chronic Degenerative Diseases. Heart, Stroke, Cancer, medical errors, Obesity and Diabetes, along with lung disease, liver and kidney failure.
    Dr.Fauci and his medical colleagues sell Disease Care, and make their incomes off Sick people with disease, where is the incentive to get people well.

    We need people who sell Health and make their incomes off Healthy people. That is what they call a PARADIGM SHIFT.

    1. Pete AntonsonYou just don't May 27, 2020 2:43 pm Reply

      You just don’t get how people dedicate their lives to helping others in the medical professions and the tremendous sacrifices they make to do so. To you, it’s just a massive conspiracy of greed! That’s just plain sick!

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