We need to stand up for everyone’s rights
We need to stand up for everyone’s rights
I’m sure most of us think of ourselves as “good” people. I’d like to ask all good people to consider how we can be good to each other. Regardless of where you stand on vaccines or testing, we all know asymptomatic people can still transmit the coronavirus to others.
Since the only purpose of the vaccines is to reduce the severity of symptoms, those who have been vaccinated (whether through choice or coercion) are now more likely to be asymptomatic than an unvaccinated person. Therefore, the testing and quarantine expectations for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated should be the same.
Otherwise, vaccinated individuals are more likely to be spreading the coronavirus than anyone who is unvaccinated. If we are trying to catch infection at the earliest possible time, which would be the only valid reason for the governor’s mandate, then testing should be required for everyone.
A good person doesn’t do something because he/she is told to but because it’s right. So if you are a good person then you either test because you believe it’s important to do since all people can still become infected and transmit the coronavirus, or you speak out against discriminatory practices such as the mandate’s requirement for only unvaccinated people to test weekly.
As a good person, how are you standing up for everyone’s rights (not just those you agree with)?
Crystal Gauna, Kalaheo
Thank you Crystal! A voice of reason in a sea of insanity! A great letter based on common sense instead of the fear regurgitated ad nauseum by the weak and fragile among our people!
Mahalo Crystal. The points you are making explain why ige;s opening protocol is so flawed.
Test all incoming out of a 5 day bubble. If you are vaccinated and travel, the safest thing is to quarantine 5 days and take the test.
So many flaws in your thinking.
Like what? She sounds pretty much like the average high school student. We are not talking about a medical degree. Just talking shop. I think we can let nice people in on the conversation.
Yes to allowing people to choose!
We live in a free country where good people follow majority rule of law and order… as mandatory for the equal rights of all people under god.
Unfortunately, some of the rowdy minority apparently thought they were entitled to a free train ride when it was actually brains that were being given to each individual and they all shouted and waved signs saying that they demand a slow one….. Please be careful what you ask for!!! You just might get it….
Since this is endemic testing the general population is pointless. Europe is already moving in this direction.
“ vaccinated individuals are more likely to be spreading the coronavirus than anyone who is unvaccinated”
This is not true. Straw man argument. Get your vaccine lady.
Aloha
Actually in most states this is true.
For whatever reason three of the ,most northeastern states vaccinated are running over 60% of the cases.
Also, “Since the only purpose of the vaccines is to reduce the severity of symptoms” is NOT true. The purpose of the vaccines is to prevent infection with COVID19 every time the person is exposed to it. That is how vaccines work. Otherwise, we’d still be constantly dealing with “less severe” cases of polio, worldwide.
Traditional vaccines, yes. Also, not true for mRNA “vaccines” which is more of a therapeutic hence the need for boosters. It’s ok though we are all learning here.
I think she’s got a valid point.
Why should I have to worry about giving Covid to someone who chose not to get vaccinated when they could have? If I unknowingly transmit Covid to someone who is vaccinated, they more than likely won’t get sick and have to be hospitalized. Isn’t this the key issue, the strain on our healthcare system so we can avoid another lockdown? Because unvaccinated people are 85 to 95% more likely to end up in ICU which would lead to a shutdown if the beds run out, aren’t they infringing on our rights to avoid a lockdown by refusing to get vaccinated?
I really hope you’re enjoying your fantasy world you live in… Good luck with everything.
Your reasoning is faulty. Vaccinated people who are rei-infected carry the virus for a much shorter period of time compared to unvaccinated (1-2 days for the former, 10 days or more for the latter), and at a lower viral load (which is after all what the vaccine does). Transmissibility from vaccinated people is actually quite unlikely. The major problem that the medical community is now observing is that variants are arising from the large unvaccinated population and not from those who are vaccinated. This is basic epidemiologic science. It is also becoming clear that prior exposure to the virus does not confer immunity to the same degree as vaccination. So just get vaccinated!!
I know what channel you watch.
Completely flawed logic. Vaccinated people are less likely to spread the virus.
Aloha
That is 100% incorrect.
You ought to do your research with science … to the media
I second what KauiaRon said, maybe vaccinated people are less likely but many of them ARE still spreading because they feel fine and therefore BELIEVE that they do not carry the virus. People with your beliefs, especially tourists and returning residents with that same belief are a big part of the problem in helping this thing spread over and over again with the new variants. That’s the science, even Dr. Char admitted that finally in a press conference.
I do like the idea of being “good”, and doing the right thing for all… which is why I got vaccinated. If 80% of us had gotten vaccinated right away it might have stoped or slowed the creation of variants. These variants are now greatly effecting the young and amino compromised individuals that didn’t have the choice we had. Because of that the ratios of those groups being hospitalized has risen in crazy large numbers. We are our neighbors keepers in public health epidemics and the right thing to do is thin about the common good and vacinate.
Sadly, only people with common sense will understand. The rest will hate you because they have been told how to think by schools rather than being taught how to think on their own. Our schools are infected with programmers, not teachers.
Whether one is vaccinated or not should not be anyone else’s business. Do we restrict or penalize people that don’t get Flu shots? Do we hand out Flu vaccine passports? I hold no judgement if people get a vaccine for the flu or COVID or not. With or without the vaccine, people will continue to get sick and some will die. Eventually, immunity will be built up and we will all be able to get back to a somewhat normal life again. If you feel you need the vaccine, get it. This issue has gone way past public health, it has become a political issue that is dividing people.
Very well stated! Furthermore, for all you far left people that believe that the unvaccinated shouldn’t receive medical treatment for Covid; I say do the same for the drug overdose patients, cancer patients from smoking and drinking, heart patients from being obese and eating like crap. I guess that doesn’t fit into your narrative though.
Oh now just one minute Jeff S. and seriously think about this. Do drug overdose patients pose a risk to the lives of doctors and nurses treating them in the hospital ICU? Or their children or elders? Do cancer patients? Do smokers, heart patients, and obese people risk killing other people such as their medical professionals or anybody else they might be in contact with? No logic in your reply. Please think before you post something inane like this.
“Do drug overdose patients pose a risk to the lives of doctors and nurses treating them in the hospital ICU?”
Ever seen someone on PCP or meth? You really think they don’t pose a threat to the wellbeing of those around them?
He attempting to prove a point on where discrimination for who is allowed to get medical
Treatment is a slippery slope. Clearly the irony is lost on you.
Statewide our hospitals are full. The health care system has collapsed under the weight of unvaccinated individuals who are getting very sick and requiring extreme levels of care. We are in a state of emergency. Thankfully, FEMA is providing hundreds of nurses to our state to cope with the crisis. If you find yourself in the need of emergency or urgent care you will have to wait with all the potential complications associated. That is true wether your condition is Covid related or not. Vaccines with proven efficiency are being provided for free to everyone by the Federal Government because they are by far the most effective and least costly way to fight this global pandemic as long as a critical mass of us gets fully vaccinated and we are still debating mandates, restrictions and testing??? Please wake up and get vaccinated so we can end this nightmare within one month.
“The health care system has collapsed under the weight of unvaccinated individuals who are getting very sick and requiring extreme levels of care. ”
Not even close to true, but if it were, the healthcare system would be at fault for not being prepared. Isn’t that their purpose? To care for the sick?
Did you get vaccines when you were a child so you could attend school? Yes, we all were required to do so for the good of society and to eliminate contagious diseases. According to the National Academy for State Health Policy, five routine childhood vaccines are generally required for children attending childcare or school in all states: diphtheria, pertussis, and tetanus or DTaP for childcare and schools; Haemophilus influenzae type B or Hib for childcare; measles, mumps and rubella or MMR for childcare and schools; polio for childcare and schools and varicella or chickenpox for childcare and schools. The only reason this vaccine for Covid is different is because of politics.
I think they should do whatever they like. But if they get sick, then the thing to do next is back track where did that originate. They’ll have to see a doctor of course. My point is locals get sick, just don’t see a doctor that often because they don’t want the doctor to find any melanoma on their bodies. Too scary. So they just wait it out. Until it is too late or just too lame and they feel happy again. Which ever it is, that is the normal way they think.
The thing is, you’re writing for TGI. So if you’re good, and smart. You get paid for writing. Never mind the name, TGI. You just get a pay from someone. See my point? Kick out those unwanted lunatics who use the system because they think they are salesman ship approach. Very bad.
Ok, so as a vaccinated person I will continue to follow the public health rules so that it might cut down the possibility that you, the unvaccinated, stay uninfected. Go figure. Meanwhile infection is rampant at this time, public health workers and nurses and doctors are all working on fumes administering aid to those of you choosing not to vaccinate. How right thinking is that? Only in this upside down world is this ok. If you’re not vaccinated the virus will find you, good luck on that. Get vaccinated
“Ok, so as a vaccinated person I will continue to follow the public health rules so that it might cut down the possibility that you, the unvaccinated, stay uninfected.”
How noble of you, Doug. I don’t think the unvaccinated asked you to.
The statement that vaccinated people are as likely or more so to spread COVID-19 is simply NOT true. The vaccines are imperfect in preventing mild and moderate disease and do not eliminate the spread but they do substantially reduce the spread and of course if the others around the vaccinated person are also vaccinated the spread of the infection and certainly severe disease and death are substantially reduced. Unvaccinated people are at least 11 times more likely to die.
Please go on about where and how you conclude that the average unvaccinated person with no underlying health problems or comorbidities is 11x more likely to die than a person who got a vaccine. So we go from the average 1.6% death rate of people WITH covid. We know the rate of deaths from covid are much lower.. anywho. So divide 1.6% by 11 you’ll end up with a 0.145% of dying if you get covid after being vaccinated. I’d love to see that study you gathered your information from.
It is great that we get to argue and make our decisions about being vaccinated or not. Does anyone want to comment on the fact that the mandate specifically excludes members of Congress, Federal Judges and all of their staffs. Anybody else read to say it is time to stop that kind of junk!
USPS also exempt.
Rules for thee but not for me. It’s obvious that the “elite” know something that the average Joe doesn’t, mainly the actual facts concerning the mRNA’s long term dangers. I suspect that there are a lot of “saline solution injections” for the privileged ones. Has anyone verified that our mayor, his immediate family or his staff are actually vaccinated. He’s requiring that all County and State workers receive the jab and show proof thereof. Perhaps a public demonstration by the mayor of receiving the “booster shot” is in order to persuade the “lower class” to take the jab. How about it Mayor?