Too much government power
Of course, Gary Hooser would applaud the Kaua‘i County decision to take 25 acres by eminent domain of property in Kilauea from the owners who don’t want to sell (his Wednesday, 8/25 diatribe).
This fits in perfectly with his socialist view of total government control of our lives and property run, of course, by elitists in perpetual power. He goes further to suggest that other properties on his long-running hit list (Grove Farms) be subjected to the same “taking” of property.
But the process of eminent domain was always meant for the sole purpose of projects for the public (i.e., all the people) good. Yet, over the years, governments have found a way to pervert this concept to fit about any situation or project they want.
A road expansion, for example, is good for the public, since we all have use of the road. Seizing people’s homes to build a shopping mall is not, but has happened.
While I realize that affordable housing is something we desperately need, who actually benefits from this action? The contractors who build the houses will make money. The people who buy these “affordable” homes, a small section of our population, will benefit. The banks that hold the mortgages will benefit.
However, I fail to see how “we the people,” the general public, will see any benefit from this eminent-domain action. As such, this action just fails to pass the smell test, and certainly smacks of a constitutional breach of the owners’ rights.
From what research I can find, the owners are a small LLC located in North Dakota. Why didn’t the county take and condemn some of the 700 acres owned in Kilauea by Mark Zuckerberg, or any of the thousands of acres owned by My Kapaa LLC (a foreign entity trust company run by Bette Midler)? I hate to put a political spin on this comparison, but one has to wonder sometimes in this crazy world!
My point is, the use of eminent domain for anything but real “public” projects smacks of massive government intrusion and abuse of power.
There has to be fairness and ownership protection of our property if there is to be security of our rights. The county should either pay the requested price or find another parcel. They had no problem paying market price for a small parcel adjoining black pot beach, and that was much more of a “public good” usage, since we can all use it.
Maybe the county can “condemn and take” Gary Hooser’s home and property for a homeless encampment. Seems like that would fit the county’s definition of “public good” under their new eminent-domain policy.
Barry Dittler, Kapa‘a
Better to build mauka than Kilauea
This is a controversial and difficult subject, but I believe it is a worthy one.
To condemn land in Kilauea and cram new housing in that space as proposed seems to me like a narrow-minded idea. It will add to highway congestion and many other problems yet to be seen.
My suggestion is something I’ve never heard yet here on Kaua‘i.
It seems to me the best solution would be to construct a new highway on “Powerline Drive.” This road would begin near Princeville and end near Kahili Mountain Park.
We would not have to blast tunnels through the mountain like on O‘ahu with the Pali and Likelike. This would be so easy compared to those projects.
There is plenty of land up mauka, lots of room for new housing, electricity is already there, just need to build a couple new side roads to Kapa‘a and Lihu‘e. This would take the pressure off the main highway from Kahili to Lihu‘e to Kapa‘a to Princeville. It would also speed the commute for those who live in Hanalei and beyond to Ha‘ena, as well as commuters to Po‘ipu and the Westside.
There can also be a side turnoff to the college.
This will create a more-direct route to Lihu‘e and Kapa‘a for many commuters.
We would need to keep this small to prevent overdevelopment.
I believe overdevelopment would be a worst-case scenario for this project and for Kaua‘i.
Somebody see the obvious, please. It’s time to develop a road that eases traffic and does not add to it. Time to build housing and roads mauka. Lots of potential for the future up there, lots of land up there.
I also think that to be eligible to purchase land up there, that you need to have lived on Kaua‘i for 10 or 20 years, (yet to be decided, obviously). I’d hate to see all that land get bought up by people planning future development as soon as it became available. I think it should be mostly residential and affordable, NOT a big land-grab development like we’ve seen here for years,
Let’s keep it small and affordable for longtime residents and their families. There need to be controls to keep it reasonable for local people.
No places to buy food? Drive to town to buy food and other necessities. It will be an easy drive on that road.
I’m tired of the same old same old, I don’t trust many people in power. Everyone has their ulterior motives.
Lots of work to make this happen, but I think it’s an obvious need and solution which needs to happen with appropriate controls to prevent any “land grabs.”
So far this is just a rough idea.
Mahalo.
Nicholas Moore, Kilauea
DOE needs to do better for the children
I thought I would send a note about what’s going on with our children on the island. Going on year three of COVID, our Department of Education still has no plan for educating our children sufficiently.
The department’s policy of contact tracing makes sense with students quarantining for 10 days following. However, the school has no plan for online or remote learning whatsoever. They are sending kids home with no remote-learning plan — after 10 days out they are returning to school for one day to turn around and quarantine for 10 more days.
The teacher can’t be bothered to respond with a plan, notes to the principal’s office go without response, and there is no communication coming from the school. Nobody seems to care that our children are growing up illiterate and without the basic life skills necessary for survival.
Help the Department of Education know they need to do better for our kids.
Kirn Reis, Kapa‘a
Effects of vaccine, mask-wearing 2 different things
I keep hearing and reading about getting the vaccine so that others are protected. Is that correct? Isn’t it so that the vaccinated person doesn’t get gravely ill, or end up in the ICU or die?
The vaccinated one can still be infected and can transmit the virus. To stop getting infected and transmitting one wears a mask, social distances, washes your hands and stays away from large gatherings of unmasked people. The effects of the vaccine and mask-wearing and other precautions are two different things.
Mark Perry, Lihu‘e
Yet another pandemic pop quiz
Misinformation about the COVID-19 vaccine includes:
• The vaccine contains mRNA, a synthetic rna which enters every cell in the body;
• This creates an ongoing protein spike in every cell, which triggers an immune response;
• This type of vaccine is experimental and has never been done before;
• Long-term effects are unknown;.
• None of the above, that is, containing misinformation.
Local politicians and medical experts urge the public to be vaccinated:
• This is level-headed and sanguine advice;
• I get points for using “sanguine;”
• What the heck does “sanguine” mean?
• None of the above.
Dr. Anthony Fauci:
• Always tells the truth and is accurate in his advice;
• Wears Speedos for high-cliff-diving events;
• Wins most of these events;
• Has signed with Speedo for a multimillion-dollar sponsorship deal;
• None of the above.
For you conspiracy buffs:
• Things are going perfectly as planned for the shadow network of psychopathic freemasons controlling the pandemic;
• Millions of people are being herded to be vaccinated;
• The goal is to vaccinate everybody on the planet;
• The vaccination will eventually kill off millions of people and turn the rest into micro-chipped zombies;
• The definition of “sanguine” is being positive in a bad situation.
OK. Here are the correct answers: last one for each question. No wiggle room this time.
Molly Jones, Kealia
Wow! Barry and Molly, thank you for showing some critical thinking…
Wake up people. This is the biggest psychological operation in the history of mankind…you are being played by the mainstream media, lifetime bureaucrats and low IQ fraudulently elected leaders.
When China invades they will have an easy time controlling the low IQ populace that has no clue.
Mark-you could direct your question to the Our Rights group-who continue to rally, gather and demonstrate without masks nor social distancing. Wasn’t there a COVID cluster from one of their rallies on/around August 9th?
I totally agree with Barry. Please explain to us why the County is using our tax dollars to benefit a few instead of using it on projects that will benefit the majority of residents? How does using our tax dollars to build low income housing benefit the majority of residents? Let private builders do this with using our tax dollars.
Putting housing within walking and biking distance of services and jobs is good planning. Kilauea’s layout and recent growth is a rare opportunity for well planned growth. The price just needs to be worked out.
You don’t see the value to your community to have housing is like anyone who doesn’t have kids not wanting to pay School taxes. It is for the good of all
Kilauea, like most areas on Kauai, has a long history of resisting growth and up zoning. Ever drive around the Kilauea neighborhood? What you see is that families have had to plywood off their garages for their kids to find a place to live with their new families. Without garages two to three sets of cars are forced to line the streets. It’s made it very unsafe for kids on bikes and no room to walk for pedestrians.
Growth is not a choice, it is a result, with or without planning. Choose your poison.
I think they should reconsider. We all know Levana Lomma is fighting for the rights of ding bats. Even those in county council. Lame duck. As for Levana, good luck on your quest. I hope it’s profitable.
“We would need to keep this small to prevent over development. I believe over development would be a worst-case scenario for this project and for Kaua‘i.”
You say this Nicholas and yet in the next breath compare your road to the Pali on Oahu. Build your road and this island will become Oahu, a large cement island with way too many tourists and residents. Look at places like Southern California, every time they build a new freeway or add lanes to an existing one it does not relieve traffic, it only brings more development and now it is one big piece of cement from the coast to the mountains. Is this what you want for Kaua’i?
Dear Mr. Dittler,
You fail to see how “we the people,” the general public, will see any benefit from this eminent-domain action? Open your eyes, mate.
#1 The parcel in questions directly abuts to the existing town of Kilauea. It would be the least expensive property to develop in the shortest amount of time . Residents there would have less need for transportation to shopping, restaurants, parks, the community center, or even the beach (once the Kahili Quarry Road access is condemned from Somers the greedy, self-centered owner of the mega home down in the Kilauea River Valley) . That would benefit us all. A real town-centered town…
Also benefitting would be all the business owners in Kilauea, who are desperate for affordable housing for their employees.
If that “small LLC” is paid a fair price for that parcel, as determined by licensed appraisers and the court, they will make out like bandits, but not like robber barons.
Let’s start the process.
Kauaiboy,
I am simply questioning the way the system uses it’s power to take what it wants. Lets say you have 5 acres with a home on it. The government decides that that is a good place to put “affordable housing” and says to you “sell at our price , lose your house and land” or we take it from you and pay you what WE think it is worth., even it you don’t want to sell or move, or think it is worth more. I am simply saying that if they want the land, bought with your taxpayer money, to the benefit of contractors and banks, pay the owners price. Several years ago, in , I believe, PA., they condemned and took a whole neighborhood through this process to build a mall ! Government has too much power to do as they want, and many times will abuse this power. It is fine to judge when it is someone else’s property, but if it was yours, I am sure you would feel different.
Mr. Dittler- What do you think the North Dakota LLC hopes for that ag-zoned parcel abutting Kilauea town? They hope to get it re-zoned urban so that they can develop a high-priced adjunct to Kilauea town. The Kauai community does not need more well-heeled mainlanders moving here. It needs more affordable housing for long-term residents. That LLC should have seen a possible condemnation coming. They will be paid a fair price for that land, far in excess of what they paid. I cannot feel sorry that they miss out on an opportunity to profit even further in the future.
The issue is the use of our tax dollars for this project. How will it benefit all residents of Kauai? If private interests want to buy and build low income housing there, fine. Our tax dollars should be used on infrastructure that benefits the majority of residents, like roads, parks, etc.
Why do we keep being subjected to Molly Jones and her idea of humor? Please make it stop.
You have the option to ignore her. Exercise your option.
Nicholas Moore I’m curious how long you have lived here? What you’re suggesting has been argued about since I was a little boy, I’m 40 now so you are really late to the party. What you suggest is one big land grab as much as you wish to avoid that, let’s call it what it is. The reason there is no highway up mauka is the fact that Kauaians do not want to see Kauai turn into Oahu. Enjoy your lucky you live in Hawaii motto you colonists love so much without trying to change Kauai to fit your vision of what it should be! Mahalo and Aloha
Oh, by the way, Mr. Dittler, a long planned bypass road from the highway to far down Kilauea-Lighthouse Road, which would pass through the parcel in question, is a great part of the equation. All those tourists heading for the Lighthouse will no longer have to crowd up the Kilauea Lighthouse Road as it passes through the major part of town, so local traffic would be enhanced and property owners along Kilauea Road would be able to breathe easier backing out of their driveways, those headed for Kolo Road would be better able to access it, and the backup of traffic trying to get onto Kuhio Highway near the Shell station would be at least partially alleviated.
Also I mentioned earlier about business owners in Kilauea benefiting from increased affordable housing for their workers. ALL North Shore business owners could benefit accordingly.
So much for your “no benefit to the general public” argument. It is out the window.
Let’s start the process.
Dear Mr. Moore,
Go ask the State government to build a highway across Kauai from Princeville to Kahili Mountain Park costing billions of dollars? To serve primarily tourists? And “just build a couple of side roads to Kapaa and Lihue”? Add a couple of billion. Oh and “another side turn-off to the college” ? Ca-Ching! Good luck with those ideas.
Somebody is seeing the obvious. I am.
You have a “rough idea”?? Seems more like a hare-brained scheme to me…
Let’s start the process of condemning the land representing the smartest expansion of Kilauea town.
We don’t need more roads.
WE NEED LESS PEOPLE!
Build MORE housing??
For whom? For the “imported” Laborers to work in the hotels?
More people! More doctors and health care workers needed! More hospitals needed! More schools! More cars! More food and gas and everything else to import!
More county services needed! More trash to dispose of! More sewage to get rid of! More, more, more!
Kauai has only 106 people per square mile. That’s less than 1/10 the population density (people per square mile) than the most densely populated states in the US. Hawaii, let alone, Kauai, isn’t even close. Population density is not a problem on Kauai. If traffic jams exists, if affordable housing doesn’t exists, that’s not because Kauai has too many people. It’s because your State and County governments have failed to do their jobs to provide their citizens with infrastructure that works
You stats are meaningless here. Your density calculation includes much unlivable area (unbuildable, state/county park area), as well as density limits imposed by law (no high rises).
But yes, the respective governments need to provide services and infrastructure.
M.J. so childish to read(or not even bother reading is more better)
Build a road from north shore side of Powerline to Kahili Mtn? Hah! Someone obviously never been up that trail before…
THANK YOU TGI for publishing comments that heretofore decades has been chopped. At least for this publishing DIALOGUE is created and i bet TGI can see an increase in subscriptions if “fair and equal”practices in reporting kauai news or any other news for that matter. Truth and Integrity CAN prevail. Aloha! Alo 2 be in the presence of…Ha each others life-giving breath
What is needed IMHO is housing, affordable housing, for the next generation of Kauaians so they can stay on their birth place.