Letter for Wednesday, August 21, 2019

Climate disruption should be major concern

I am concerned to the point that I am scared and depressed.

I have taken personal action by buying two electric vehicles, I have solar voltaic on my house, a solar water heater, a garden and I am active in clubs such as 350.org, kauai Ev, Sierra club

I have written letters to the editor, to the county council, and mayor, spoke at government meetings, etc.

I am disappointed that even people who are aware of our peril are not making personal changes.

I really think it’s too late and I am still trying anyway hoping to mitigate.

We need an effective carbon incentive program to encourage every individual to change their carbon footprint

Watch “Ice on Fire.”

Sharon Geiken Westerberg, Kapaa

  1. gordon oswald August 21, 2019 6:07 am Reply

    Don’t be “scared and depressed” Sharon. There are too many other things in life needing your attention, and your fear of climate change doesn’t need to be one of them! If you really believe it is “mankind” that is changing the climate, nothing you can do will make a millisecond difference in the time you think we have left. America is nothing more than a pimple on an elephant’s butt with regards to pollution. We’re already one of the cleanest Countries on earth compared to our world neighbors, and, yes, we should all continue to leave as small a pollution footprint as possible. Since you do so fervently believe it’s “mankind’s” fault and the world’s going to end because of you, you will do more to help by concentrating on China, India, Russia and hundreds of other Countries that have huge populations and pollute more in an hour than we do in a year. These Countries are where you should place all your focus, or, simply relax and understand that the earth has gone through the exact same warming and cooling periods over the past million years, and we’re still here! It will be alright Sharon. Please study climate history for yourself and stop looking at the cooked date coming out of NOAA. Watch this and see what you think. It just may calm your nerves a little, and help you get through your day with a smile? https://youtu.be/uMldKLR0Vwc

    1. Steven McMacken August 22, 2019 3:57 am Reply

      Nothing like a little unsolicited advice from a nincompoop — especially when said nincompoop states that “America is nothing more than a pimple on an elephant’s butt with regards to pollution,” and “We’re already one of the cleanest countries on earth compared to our world neighbors.”

      FACT: The United States is one of the WORST polluters in the world! It is second — behind China — in the amount of pollutants it spews into the atmosphere annually. That’s not a pimple, Gordon, it’s a GIANT CARBUNCLE!

      1. Gordon Oswald August 23, 2019 5:02 am Reply

        Oh Stephen you little liberal you. If you’ve travelled much, you would have experienced the pollution of China, India, and Russia etc. I’ve seen rivers running through cities that are bright red or electric green in color from the pollution spewing into their world. The cars are more toxic by many times over our completely controlled cars with their advanced catalytic converters etc. The United States is one of the cleanest countries in the world per capita, and only a naïve idiot with an agenda would not recognize that. I refer you to the Pollution Index for Country 2019 for some knowledge you pathetically, and with your snowflake liberal agenda, refuse to see. You will notice that the United States, though it has more businesses, big bad corporations, vehicles, manufacturers and other polluting potential areas than any other Country, is number 88 on the list of polluters. You’re nothing more than a blind follower and fake news media dolt. But then there is a place for sheep oriented individuals, even in the real world.

        1. Steven McMacken August 23, 2019 12:29 pm Reply

          Well, Gordo, I have traveled to India and China and have witnessed the pollution firsthand. And, yeah, it’s bad. But I stand by my statement that the United States is one of the worst polluters in the world: According to the “Global Carbon Project,” the Union of Concerned Scientists, the World Resources Institute and many other reputable sources, China is the largest emitter of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere at over 10 million metric tons per year and the U.S. is second with 5.4 million metric tons. India emits about half of that and Russia emits 1.6 million metric tons. In fact, the US military is a bigger polluter than more than 100 countries combined.

          Now regarding your source, NUMBEO. Long story short, they are NOT considered to be accurate — and with good reason. Here is what they say about THEMSELVES:

          “Most of our data are based on perceptions (opinions) from visitors of this website.”

          Now, who is the “naive idiot with an agenda”? You know, I’ve always found that it’s better to keep the mouth shut when you don’t know what you are talking about.

          1. gordon oswald August 24, 2019 7:18 am

            Steven, you will believe whatever you want to believe, but in a Country where you can drink water out of the garden hose, breath air that is as clean as in any city in the world, swim and ingest fish caught in nearly every body of water, said Country is amazingly clean! If you would just take a breather from putting down your Country for a minute, and look around at where you would rather live, it might just alleviate your propensity of playing your nonsensical little liberal fear and hate game. Is there more work to be done? Sure! But we’re one of the cleanest Countries on earth, and you just won’t admit it! Try a walk on the side of reality, instead of nursing your pent up need to be relevant by whining and sniveling about the sky falling! You just may become a happy person worthy of the admiration which you so desperately seek!

  2. kauaidoug August 21, 2019 8:38 am Reply

    The County could start with a recycle program that is user friendly. As a single dweller by the time I have enough cans and bottles etc to even think about driving(gas) to the recycle(after figuring out if this is a weekday it is closed or moved) center the money I get barely pays the gas. This is not user friendly. Recycling should be available at curbside like other places in the country.

  3. Patrick H Flores August 21, 2019 11:17 am Reply

    Ms. Westerberg, not everyone has the resources to make the investments you’ve been able to make to contribute to the environmental situation that is frightening you. I hope you don’t judge others by comparing your responses to ours.

  4. IKUDIAS August 21, 2019 8:48 pm Reply

    ya gotta love the humor that these haoles bring to the island

  5. LTEreader August 22, 2019 8:45 am Reply

    Hmmm, let’s see. Gordon touting Trumps words of denial -vs- FACTS from the experts = not a tough decision.


    And yes, curbside recycling is LONG overdue!

    1. gordon oswald August 23, 2019 5:17 am Reply

      LTE you are serious? Your business insider rag is going back to 1850 and projecting possible pollution by the United States 150 years ago before any measuring was done! Everything before today 1019 is irrelevant to the problem to be solved. There are 88 out of 109 countries that pollute per capita more than the United States! Time for you and your liberal buffoons to view the reality of today, instead of manipulating data from the past to make everything “appear” horrible in order to fit a stupid anti American agenda.

  6. Pete Antonson August 22, 2019 2:29 pm Reply

    Our climate change denier is not the dumbest person in the world, we all know who that is! Our climate change denier better hope donald j. trump doesn’t die!

  7. gordon oswald August 23, 2019 5:11 am Reply

    LTE and Little Petey, you may be interested in the real facts about the big bad United States you both hate so much. We are 88th in the world per capita pollution causers and you fake news sheep should really educate yourselves before vomiting their fake garbage, no matter how much you want to believeit. Sorry to upset your little selfish agenda’s, but following are the real facts for which you are so ignorant.

    1. Pete Antonson August 23, 2019 1:39 pm Reply

      BTW, GO, nice try; but, people who disagree with you or even those who downright don’t like you, do not “hate the United States.” The same is true regarding Big Donnie!

  8. Everythingisawesome August 23, 2019 6:53 am Reply

    I don’t condone wastefullness or pollution, but, what exactly are you ‘scared and depressed’ about? What I’m asking is what horrible things do you think are going to happen? Weather and Temperature are never constant. Sea levels are never constant. CO2 concentrations are never constant. Productivity of the land is never constant. Are we all going to drown? Starve? Cook? Our planet can (and does) change all on it’s own. Better to plan for the change than to think you can prevent it. When all the dinosaurs started to die out, our forefathers had to find other sources of food, clothing and other modes of transportation. Same will happen in the future (that’s a joke). Go golfing or read a book. Enjoy the moment.

  9. hanapaahi August 23, 2019 8:42 am Reply

    If the global climate change is coming with sea level rises why did President and Ms. Obama Obama buy a 29 ocean front mansion in Martha’s VineyardWhat do they know that they are not telling us?

  10. LTEreader August 25, 2019 10:39 am Reply

    RE: https://www.numbeo.com/pollution/rankings_by_country.jsp
    “Most of our data are based on perceptions (opinions) from visitors of this website.”

    C’mon Gordon you can do better than that! Well, maybe not. You are after all a huge Trump fan = where facts are all too often non-existent.
    IF you check out ‘reputable’ data you’ll see that Steven McMacken is absolutely correct. The U.S. is 2nd after China. I know facts are hard for you to digest when using Trumps twitter account as your news source, however we have this wonderful thing called the internet that is chock full of facts, and reality, which will make your comments more credible. You’re welcome!

  11. Pete Antonson August 25, 2019 3:00 pm Reply

    According to NASA (https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/), who doesn’t have corporate advertisers to satisfy like Oswald’s sources, ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. Also in this feature, is listed most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide who have all issued public statements endorsing this position. This feature has solutions our USA can make. But Oswald can drink from a garden hose so we should not do anything. Oswald thinks other countries are worse and through some convoluted logic, we should not do anything. Oswald probably has some stocks that might be threatened, so we should not do anything. The greatest gift Oswald has, straight from the Chosen One, is the ability to call any evidence he doesn’t like: “Fake News” just like the King of Isreal! What a gift that is!

  12. gordon oswald August 25, 2019 4:16 pm Reply

    There he goes again. Little Petey says blah, blah, blah, blah. The so called “climate scientists” say that humans are making the weather and it’s all our fault the earth is warming? BS. Little tidbit of reality for you Petey. They get paid to say that, and the more they believe it, the more money they make. You and your Democrat/liberal/Socialist goons are nothing more than fake news babies who never grew up therefore they have morphed into a cancer on our Society. But don’t worry! A cure is coming!

    1. Pete Antonson August 26, 2019 2:56 pm Reply

      Paid by whom? How much? Must be an awful lot to maintain a 100% conspiracy in this day and age on a major issue. Where is your evidence?

      Just your hopeful imagination

  13. LTEreader August 27, 2019 8:41 am Reply

    “You and your Democrat/liberal/Socialist goons are nothing more than fake news babies”

    Gordon, let’s talk fake news > You posted a website link who’s data is based on perceptions (opinions) from visitors of the website.

    Priceless Gordon, absolute covfefe priceless!

  14. Pete Antonson September 2, 2019 6:03 pm Reply

    TRUMP: “We’re, right now, having the cleanest air and cleanest water on the planet.” — remarks on Aug. 26 with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
    THE FACTS: That’s not true. Air quality hasn’t improved under the Trump administration and dozens of nations have less smoggy air than the U.S.
    Water? One measure, Yale University’s global Environmental Performance Index, finds the U.S. tied with nine other countries as having the cleanest drinking water.
    But after decades of improvement, progress in air quality has stalled. Over the last two years the U.S. had more polluted air days than just a few years earlier, federal data show.
    There were 15% more days with unhealthy air in America both last year and the year before than there were on average from 2013 through 2016, the four years when the U.S had its fewest number of those days since at least 1980.
    The Obama administration set records for the fewest air-polluted days.
    The nonprofit Health Effects Institute’s State of Global Air 2019 report ranked the United States 37th dirtiest out of 195 countries for ozone, also known as smog, worse than the global average for population-weighted pollution. Countries such as Britain, Japan, Spain, Portugal, France, Germany, Albania, Cuba, Russia, Vietnam, New Zealand and Canada have less smoggy air.
    The U.S. ranks eighth cleanest on the more deadly category of fine particles in the air.
    On environmental quality overall, the Yale index put the U.S. 27th, behind a variety of European countries, Canada, Japan, Australia and more. Switzerland was No. 1.

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